X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 08:34:39 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:23:03 EDT From: INXSBABE@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com (for better or for worse) I thought the site was supposed to be up. All I get is the screen saying that it will start 10-1-99 AEST. I can't wait to see what it looks like :) Karen in MD X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 10:13:44 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: 1 Oct 99 06:53:26 PDT From: David Jones To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: INXS.com (for better or for worse)] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smtp-2.mdc.net id KAA01712 I'm very tempted to get very hot over this so trust me when I say it took a lot of control to compose this message... CHams@honeywell.com.au said: It is quite easy to misinterpret the meaning when we don't "hear" the comment in context. His comment sounds bad but give the guy some credit. Do you really think he is trying to offend people such as Neil and the many others who have fan sites. I don't think so. I read Andrew's comments and interpreted it to mean he wanted to give something back to the fans, instead of the fans having to do all the hard work in creating their own sites (end quote) I agree that the interpretation can go either way on this, however, his statement is as equally valid if he had removed the "rather than a tribute site erected by others" statement. There are certainly much more tactful ways to reflect this sentiment. And as for all of the "hard work" that others have put into making websites, was I the only person who wondered why they didn't choose to acknowledge it? liberty-outpost@juno.com wrote: Here we go again, more Marxist crap about the evils of capitalism. When are you guys ever going to wake up?? (snip) Since it's all voluntary, they wouldn't participate if they didn't get something they wanted more than what they were giving. (end quote) No Leah, when are YOU going to wake up? You've entirely missed the whole point. In the press release, Victoria Doige said "With hordes of unauthorised INXS content online, our challenge in creating INXS.com was to provide legitimate content & THUS DRIVE TRAFFIC _BACK_ TO THE OFFICIAL INXS VOICE." (empahsis added). Now, I have nothing against them wanting to make a buck, but her statment indicates to me that they want steal traffic from non-official sources. Is there any reason why they can't make a buck and let the rest of the website owners have their traffic too? If other websites were demostrating financial competition, then you would have a valid point Leah, but they don't. And the use of that word "unauthorized" definitely doesn't sound as though they are being very "fan-based website" friendly. Again, there is certain amount of tact lacking in her statements. If they want to generate some revenue, thats fine, but can you give me ONE GOOD REASON why they have to try to bring down and insult the other websites in the process? And now for my own comments regarding the press release.... They claim that there is a "challenge" in creating an official website? I'll tell you what challenge is. Challenge is spending the last seven years of your life trying to track down every INXS song and then trying figuring out how to share it with others. Challenge is spending hours in front of a tape recording transcribing interviews from a two year old cassette tape. Challenge is trying to make an appealing looking website when you don't have $700 to fork over for the latest Macromedia web-authoring software. Challenge is taking time out of your OWN life building a website (Chaosmusic at least gets paid for it). Challenge is being limited to what you can put on a website by what has been officially released. I guarantee you that if me or Neil or any other INXS webmaster had access to all the unreleased archives that Choasmusic has at their disposal that we would have a field day with it all; the only "challenge" would be having to choose what to put up. And with all that at their disposal they are putting up an MP3 of "Kick"???? Yeah, I can see all 8 million people who already own the album just lining up to get hands on that rarity. I'm going to stop now before I really go off..... Davy X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 11:34:07 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Natalia Rakowski To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: MH Album - in the states... Hey all - BuyMusic (http://www.buymusic.com) will let you pre-order the import CD and single. The CD has a release date of Oct. 26th and will be $19.95 and the single will be available Oct. 12th and will be $9.95. -- Natalia X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 11:58:23 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:37:18 PDT From: "Heidi J." To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: ITS UP AND RUNNING INXS.COM IS RUNNING....i am now looking at pictures of them in there...you do have to get a flash plug in but it don't take long....grr my mum wants to go to the store and i want too look around....oh well i will be back to look around on it!! Heidi X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 12:15:05 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:37:36 +0100 From: Graham Newbery To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: I'm thick I know but... How do I officially notify a forthcoming change of e-mail address to the list master? Thanks guys. Graham Graham Newbery Devon Finance Services Telephone (01392) 38 2784 Fax (01392) 38 3435 X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 12:36:40 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Courtney Chase To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com (for better or for worse) well... it's up and it's the most over produced site i have EVER seen. looks like neil's site on steroids LOL. i should probably be impressed, but i'm not. i'm more annoyed with all of the bells and whistles than anything. i'm gonna stop now because i really haven't had a chance to explore it thorougly. but so far, i'm really not impressed with their attempts to impress. courtney --- INXSBABE@aol.com wrote: > I thought the site was supposed to be up. All I get > is the screen saying > that it will start 10-1-99 AEST. I can't wait to > see what it looks like :) > > Karen in MD X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 12:53:36 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 02:25:15 +1000 From: Mike Gee To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com (for better or for worse)] Well said, Davy. Well said. Cheers, Mike Gee X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 13:21:46 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:36:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Davis To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com (for better or for worse) Complain when we don't have the official site, complain now we do; complain about the content of the site and no doubt likely complain again when it finally goes on line. Agreed, some of the non-plus comments made in the Chaos Music press release could have been better phrased out of respect for the fans and owners of unofficial sites. But now it's finally here, enjoy the new output (as it's been a while since we've had anything at all) and see how the site develops as they claim it will. Evolution not revolution. Hopefully there will be an email contact address at the site for us to give them ideas and let them know what's good and what's not so good. But just slagging it off will just make them think, "why the hell should we bother with the ungrateful b*****ds ?". Provided we still have excellent unofficial sites like Neil's, anything extra is a bonus in my eyes. It's a worse off world for not having INXS as they were, so let's all try and be constructive not destructive. Soapbox dismounted. RICH X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 14:24:43 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: 1 Oct 99 11:10:42 PDT From: David Jones To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: [INXS.com (for better or for worse)] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smtp-2.mdc.net id OAA41151 Richard Davis wrote: > Complain when we don't have the official site, > complain now we do; complain about the content of the > site and no doubt likely complain again when it > finally goes on line. The complaint isn't about getting a new website, the complaint is about how they've gone about presenting it. > Hopefully there will be an email contact address at > the site for us to give them ideas and let them know > what's good and what's not so good. But just slagging > it off will just make them think, "why the hell should > we bother with the ungrateful b*****ds ?". And what about the way the webmaster feel? A lot of people have put a lot of personal time into making websites for the benefit of both the fans and the band themselves. The band nor their management has bother to acknowledged that. Think about that and then tell me who is being an ungrateful.... > It's a worse off world for not having INXS as they > were, so let's all try and be constructive not > destructive. >From what I've seen, they've done a pretty good job of being destructive to the webmasters, but I don't hear you preaching to them. Davy X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 15:29:23 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:08:11 -0400 From: "Nanci Lamb Roider" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: FW: message from inxs.com > Hi all, > > I've asked Nanci to post this message to the list. > > As you have probably seen, inxs.com was launched earlier today. There are > still lots of bugs that need to be worked out and everybody is working > their heads off to correct stuff. It is definitely a work-in-progress and > will be improved and updated on a regular basis. All in all, we're pretty > proud of what's been accomplished, yet there's still much more to be done! > > It would be very helpful to us if you'd email me directly with any typos or > corrections you see that need to be fixed. (We know about a few major ones, > like mispellings of the band names.... YIKES!!). And your comments are > welcome too, good and bad....... (if you feel the need to be negative, I > can take it, just go easy on me, ok?). Positive comments are especially > appreciated!! :-) > > And I'd like to take an opportunity to clarify something, since there seems > to be some musings about this being a corporate, commercial venture, that > the band is trying to empty your pockets and the fans are being insulted by > a marketing approach. First of all, the music industry is a business. To > stay in business, you have to have product to sell. As long as there's > people who want to purchase those products, the smart thing to do is make > sure they can obtain those items. Simple business economics. If you are > offended by this normal activity, then don't buy. To suggest the band or > its partners are systematically ripping off the fans is absurd. > > And, here's a bit of music industry legal protocol I didn't realize until > recently: > INXS had to get legal permission in writing from all the companies that > hold the licencing agreements for their music, videos and lyrics in order > to post these items on their very own website. Sounds crazy, huh? Yet, this > is the right way to do any publishing both in the print and online world. > And, there are many conditions to these agreements (like.... only so many > seconds of a video or song clip can be put up for a specific period of > time, etc...). > > Now I ask..... has ANY of the unauthorized fan websites ever gone this > route, contacted the companies who hold the licences for permission, or > even thought about doing that? Then, paid the fees associated with these > agreements? And people wonder why the move is on to clamp down on > unauthorized sites.... Something to think about. > > Photography is a different issue, as each photographer holds their own > copyrights. Yet, unathorized usage of photos on the internet is rampant and > for the most part these photographers aren't even asked first, or > compensated for their work and often don't get a photo credit. FYI, you > will see lots of photos on inxs.com. By submitting these pictures to us > orginally, the photographers gave permission for their use. We give credits > on each photo but if the photographer wants their images removed for any > reason, we will comply with no problems. > > Thanks for all your support, I really hope you all will enjoy what inxs.com > is bringing to you and keep checking it regularly! > > Cheers, > Mary Woods > in2xs@inxs.com X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 15:57:09 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:38:26 +0200 From: "Markus Pfeffer" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com The new www.inxs.com site is great, I still need to take some time to explore it. Anyway, do the videos work for anyone? The links seem to be down. On another note, I wonder why www.inxsweb.com is NOT in the links-section. I think if ONE site really deserves a link, then it's Neil's. He has kept the memory of INXS alive for almost 2 years while inxs.com wasn't (understandably) changed, so I thought he deserves at least a little link. Markus X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 18:49:31 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:49:07 EDT From: Jilljo8005@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: inxs.com question Hi, I can't seem to get onto the site but there are messages everywhere that say people are already on it. Can you help? Thanks! Jilljo X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 19:03:09 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 16:01:11 PDT From: "Susan Fleming" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:38:26 +0200, Markus Pfeffer wrote: > On another note, I wonder why www.inxsweb.com is NOT in the links-section. > > I think if ONE site really deserves a link, then it's Neil's. It's probably because they don't want anyone to see where they got all of THEIR info. Just compare http://www.chaosmusic.com/betainxs/gighistory.asp to http://www.inxsweb.com/tour.html. At the very least they could have changed the italics and red print around some, they didn't even bother with it that much. I hope they didn't pay Chaos a lot of money for all that. They could have gotten it from the fans for free. LOL Courtney wasn't kidding, it really IS Neil's site on steroids! LOL Peace, Susan X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 19:28:11 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:26:21 EDT From: Figgi1@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com (for better or for worse) wel said man... X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 19:34:57 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 16:36:36 -0700 From: Winnie4 To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com Hi all!! OHMYGOD!! Let me get this straight. They've harassed Neil (and others) for months, refuse to acknowledge the hard work that fans have put into sites dedicated to their band, and are just plain not supportive of fan sites, and they HAVE THE NERVE to steal DIRECTLY from Neil's site? I am absolutely stupefied........ INXS forever!!! Winnie :-) Susan Fleming wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:38:26 +0200, Markus Pfeffer wrote: > > > On another note, I wonder why www.inxsweb.com is NOT in the > links-section. > > > > I think if ONE site really deserves a link, then it's Neil's. > > It's probably because they don't want anyone to see where they got all of > THEIR info. Just compare http://www.chaosmusic.com/betainxs/gighistory.asp > to http://www.inxsweb.com/tour.html. At the very least they could have > changed the italics and red print around some, they didn't even bother with > it that much. I hope they didn't pay Chaos a lot of money for all that. They > could have gotten it from the fans for free. LOL > > Courtney wasn't kidding, it really IS Neil's site on steroids! LOL > > Peace, > Susan > X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 19:53:47 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 16:54:59 -0700 From: Winnie4 To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: INXS.COM And on the related note..........I agree that the "official" site is a bit over produced, but it is nice to have anything "official" at all, so I'm not going to complain about it much. I agree with whoever said that if we don't appreciate INXS.com, then we'll be right back where we started, with NO official site, which I think many of us found pretty disrespectful as well. So, as a huge fan of Neil's site, I have to say that I still prefer the site made with love, not money. But, when in need of an INXS fix, I'll happily mosey on over to INXS.com, just to see what they have to offer, but no site, "official" or otherwise, will ever take away the great work that is AN EXCESS OF INXS! And I for one, am glad that Neil isn't giving in to any pressure to change or dismantle his site (if there is any), and am also disappointed to see his site, which is obviously the best on the net, was so blatantly ignored on INXS.com. I will continue to frequent Neil's site AND the "official" site, as I firmly believe that the fans have kept INXS from disappearing into oblivion for the last 2 years. Well, that's my rant for now!! INXS forever!! Winnie :-) (who is just plain happy to have a little more INXS in the world!!) X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 19:57:33 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:55:04 EDT From: Jilljo8005@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: FW: message from inxs.com Hi, I cannot get on the web site. I still come across the same screen I've been greeted with for months, the compressing INXS title and the Sorry... note. Can you help? Thanks, Jilljo X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 22:02:34 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:55:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Cindy Croft To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: old Taste It thread comments --- Ilyria 100 wrote: > Ilyria, So well said! Thanks for sharing! :) duraninxs/Cindy X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Fri Oct 1 23:08:11 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:06:18 -0400 (EDT) From: SHOWBIZKID@webtv.net (JOE HEILER) To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: FW: message from inxs.com Hi Jilljo, You are not the Lone Ranger,I have the same problem,I'm glad we still have the real INXS site available,(You know what site I mean).The unofficial( Official Site). Regards, Joe X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 08:27:42 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 00:52:23 CDT From: "INXSED 2" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: [INXS.COM delayed! - Contest # 3!!!! Update] thanks Davy, I would like to be included-- number 15 or number 11, whichever is available...if not choose the next closest for me.Thanks! Rhonda >From: David Jones >Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com >To: Multiple recipients of >Subject: INXS: Re: [INXS.COM delayed! - Contest # 3!!!! Update] >Date: 29 Sep 99 22:25:22 PDT > >"INXSED 2" wrote: > > David- > > I missed the original posting of this-- please explain wot this is > > about. than-x > >Oh, I was just making fun of INXS management. > >I have started a "betting pool" for people to guess when INXS.com is really >going to go live. The winner gets to pick from a small pool of INXS >collectibles I have duplicates of, or they can get a custom burned CD of >b-sides > >Davy > X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 08:31:30 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 02:50:54 -0500 From: "BPRice" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com You need to download the Windows Media Player to see the videos. It takes about 15-20 minutes. -----Original Message----- From: Markus Pfeffer To: Multiple recipients of Date: Friday, October 01, 1999 3:08 PM Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com >The new www.inxs.com site is great, I still need to take some time to explore it. > >Anyway, do the videos work for anyone? The links seem to be down. > >On another note, I wonder why www.inxsweb.com is NOT in the links-section. > >I think if ONE site really deserves a link, then it's Neil's. > >He has kept the memory of INXS alive for almost 2 years while inxs.com wasn't (understandably) changed, so I thought he >deserves at least a little link. > >Markus > X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 08:37:43 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 03:07:48 -0500 From: "BPRice" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com I have to say the official site is above average. I know there has been a lot of bad blood between the band's MANAGEMENT team and the webmasters (most notably and inexplicably Neil's), but maybe we should try to put it all behind us (or at least on the backburner for now) and support the band in this endeavor. Clearly the band themselves are not hostile to the concept of unofficial web sites; I think they're mostly in the dark about the very threatening emails their management team sent to Neil and others (whom I wholeheartedly support in that debacle) , and perhaps have been led to believe the whole effort there was merely to limit Mp3 sites. I also feel that the press statement and the quotes for Andrew and the site manager, while not necessarily thought out well enough, were not in the vein of denigrading the webmasters. Well, okay, maybe the quote by the site manager at the end is too far over the line to explain away--that definitely should have been worded more tactfully--but I think we owe Andrew the benefit of the doubt regarding what he said. And if he or any other band member do view the unofficial sites negatively, it can only be because they've been mislead by their management; I mean, to me it defies all logic to purposefully alienate your most dedicated fan base. On a happier note, I got to view the Stadium Australia gig for the first time (the first two songs, that is). It was very exciting. TTD really did put his own soulful touch on the music, and I thought his falsettos were awesome; I almost jumped up and down as if I was there! The stage and the set up seemed awfully small though, for what's supposed to be a huge stadium; was only a small section blocked off for the performers, and how many people were there? It seemed more like a pub gig, but maybe that's because I was viewing it online, and not on TV. But TTD and INXS made a perfect match, and one I'm happy to say I supported the very first time I heard the rumors about it way back in--when was it--January. I truly have a high respect and admiration for the man. I really hope the band are coming along with whatever new projects or gigs the site "promises" are "soon" to come. Brian >The new www.inxs.com site is great, I still need to take some time to explore it. >Anyway, do the videos work for anyone? The links seem to be down. > >On another note, I wonder why www.inxsweb.com is NOT in the links-section. > >I think if ONE site really deserves a link, then it's Neil's. > >He has kept the memory of INXS alive for almost 2 years while inxs.com wasn't (understandably) changed, so I thought he >deserves at least a little link. > >Markus > > X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 08:42:30 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 03:15:19 -0500 From: "BPRice" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com >> On another note, I wonder why www.inxsweb.com is NOT in the >links-section. >> >> I think if ONE site really deserves a link, then it's Neil's. This is just incredible that they wouldn't list Neil's site. I mean, come one, management (for I cannot accept for a second that the band would knowingly stiff Neil--they included his name on the Thank You's on EW!), lighten up! Your hostility towards An Excess of INXS is only alienating those of us who have come to rely on Neil for his dedicated service over the years. It definitely has helped me to know when EW was coming out, and to find out about them performing in 97 near me so I could see them. Where was the "Official" site then to help out? > >It's probably because they don't want anyone to see where they got all of >THEIR info. Just compare http://www.chaosmusic.com/betainxs/gighistory.asp >to http://www.inxsweb.com/tour.html. At the very least they could have >changed the italics and red print around some, they didn't even bother with >it that much. I hope they didn't pay Chaos a lot of money for all that. They >could have gotten it from the fans for free. LOL You noticed that, too, huh? Amazing. Same fonts, same indentions in the same spots...sad, isn't it? > >Courtney wasn't kidding, it really IS Neil's site on steroids! LOL X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 12:19:48 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 09:15:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Courtney Chase To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com Oh, but they DO link to Neil's site -- I just don't think they realize it. When they "borrowed" the code for the gigography, they forgot to take out the links that he has back to his geocities archive. The ones that link to concert posters (example: April 18, May 16 1983). I can't believe they can be that low and that stupid at the same time. After what they did to Davy over the MP3 issue, I can't believe that they would so blatantly break a copyright. And no, inxs.com, 2 wrongs still do NOT make a right. Courtney --- BPRice wrote: > > >> On another note, I wonder why www.inxsweb.com is > NOT in the > >links-section. > >> > >> I think if ONE site really deserves a link, then > it's Neil's. > > This is just incredible that they wouldn't list > Neil's site. I mean, come > one, management (for I cannot accept for a second > that the band would > knowingly stiff Neil--they included his name on the > Thank You's on EW!), > lighten up! Your hostility towards An Excess of > INXS is only alienating > those of us who have come to rely on Neil for his > dedicated service over the > years. It definitely has helped me to know when EW > was coming out, and to > find out about them performing in 97 near me so I > could see them. Where was > the "Official" site then to help out? > > > >It's probably because they don't want anyone to see > where they got all of > >THEIR info. Just compare > http://www.chaosmusic.com/betainxs/gighistory.asp > >to http://www.inxsweb.com/tour.html. At the very > least they could have > >changed the italics and red print around some, they > didn't even bother with > >it that much. I hope they didn't pay Chaos a lot of > money for all that. > They > >could have gotten it from the fans for free. LOL > > You noticed that, too, huh? Amazing. Same fonts, > same indentions in the > same spots...sad, isn't it? > > > >Courtney wasn't kidding, it really IS Neil's site > on steroids! LOL > X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 12:28:34 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: 2 Oct 99 09:27:27 PDT From: David Jones To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: [INXS.com] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smtp-2.mdc.net id MAA57061 "BPRice" wrote: > I think they're mostly in the dark about the very threatening emails > their management team sent to Neil and others (whom I wholeheartedly > support in that debacle) , and perhaps have been led to believe the > whole effort there was merely to limit Mp3 sites. I have considered this myself. At one point I did build another INXS website that was fairly large and Mary did approve it. Due to a recent hard drive crash its all gone though :-(. However, you also have to keep in mind what they did to Neil regarding the Lovegrove book. I might agree that for now MP3 was the only target, but from their past actions I have no reason to beleive that they wont go after more in the future. > Well, okay, maybe the quote by the site manager at the end is too far > over the line to explain away--that definitely should have been worded > more tactfully--but I think we owe Andrew the benefit of the doubt > regarding what he said. And if he or any other band member do view the > unofficial sites negatively, it can only be because they've been > mislead by their management; I mean, to me it defies all logic > to purposefully alienate your most dedicated fan base. Well, I can't make any comments about the Andrew situation, but if you have access to newgroups you should go check out alt.music.inxs. Victoria Droige basically came out and accused Neil of being "more concerned with protecting [his] own commecial online ventures then being a loyal fan of INXS." If anything, Neil has lost money off of his website over their years. Maybe Andrew isn't trying to alienate the fan base, but the management team definitely is. Davy X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 12:46:38 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:44:36 EDT From: Inxsnut@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com I just saw INXS.COM website! I really enjoyed browsing the site, some very good pictures, especially of Hutch. I just wanted to add my comments to the rest! I have been laid up for a while with a broken leg so I have some catching up to do on reading all my e-mail! I wish I was in the land down under to get the privilege of listening to Michael's single! I ENVY YOU GUYS! X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 13:31:41 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: bass grl To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.COM I just have one question... how come fans where kept in the dark about Kirk's judging at the Metro here in Sydney for a battle of the bands and Garry's Bass Clinic in Annandale last month? Maybe because I am here in Oz? lol lol not to worry Gaz is still alive, but I was barely when I saw him...to baD he wasnt wearing his sarong... he he he J/K!!! He loked Awsome and he talked for 3 hrs!!!! He also said he just recently produced an album for another Oz band named "Preshrunk" they actuallty opened for Silverchair last month @ the Horden Pavillion... and another Band who I think he was working w/ or worked was Machine Gun Phelatio the lead singer wrote no Aprodisiac for the Whitlams... that I just knew cuz Matt the singer for MGP is my mates roomie!!! Funny he knew I used to write about him... man I should become a Journalist!!!! =) I think the site is fantastic keep up the good work, but is it telling us all that the guys are doing public? For those of you out there who are still in the dark about Kirk marrital status..LOL there was a bit on Drum Media saying something about louise (kirk's wife..) so I guess that says it all!!! BTW Saw Denny Hines over in Town hall two days ago driving a red convertible, It was kinda cool to see what she looks like in person!!! Well that is all for now guys I miss ya all and VIVA GAZ!!! he is DA MAN!!!! Cheers Maz P.S DARRYL WHERE THE HECK ARE YA? he he he ===== X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 13:37:03 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 13:29:11 -0400 From: "Nanci Lamb Roider" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: FW: INXS.com statement > Hi Folks, > > Again, I've asked Nanci to post this for me. Another long one, sorry, but > please read it. There's some important info here. > > Thanks for the feedback about inxs.com. We're aware of the things that need > to be fixed and in short order it will get updated. Monday's a holiday in > Australia, so it looks like it won't be until Tuesday that work can begin > again. > > A few things: > > The text in the gigography originally did come from Neil's site and was > placed there only as dummy text, for position only. Significant changes and > additions were made to a gigography listing but thru a technical glitch it > defaulted back to the originally placed text which was meant to be erased. > This is being corrected to show the updated version. > > However, I would like to point out that this text, and other text that may > seem to come from a different source other than inxs.com is generic BAND > history information. Neil (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't own it. > It is not editorial comment written by Neil. Any listings of this sort were > compiled over a period of time from many people and many sources, so giving > a credit to any one person for this kind of information is not necessary. > > Also, I have asked Chaos to include the remaining photo credits as some are > some missing. > > And I feel the time has come to tell you all something, so we can put an > end to this hot debate once and for all. > > Over the past year or so there has been so much negative and spiteful > rumblings about the band's "MANAGEMENT". Blaming 'them' for everything > wrong in the world of INXS, even suggesting the band is being horribly > misled by a bunch of phantom evil corporate hate mongers who are out to get > the fans and use and abuse them.... (my interpretation). > > Well, the truth is, the band are managing themselves and have been since > last December. They do not have a management team, they are making their > own decisions, meeting every couple weeks. David Edwards is their > lieutenent, if you will, basically implementing what they want done. He > also has full authority to make decisions on their behalf when appropriate > and necessary and he certainly does (and he's not someone you want to get > on the wrong side of and mess with, ha ha ha!!). I do part-time duty > answering email, researching materials for their archives, help with the > website (and yes, sell their merchandise). Basically, we're it, no one else > really handling the day-to-day. Since it's internal business stuff > concerning only the band we didn't feel it was appropriate to announce it. > > They also rely heavily on their legal advisors, license holders, and music > industry decision makers, because.....hell that's what they pay them to do. > At the end of the day, when all is said and done, it's those people's > directives they will follow if they feel it's warranted. > > You should all understand that it's NOT the band ("management") who wants > to harrass or shut down fansites, it's the above mentioned industry and > legal entities that desperately want to, certainly can and will if they're > given the go-ahead from the artists. It's not a threat, just a reality. > These industry folks have absolutely no emotional investment what-so-ever > in what the fans have done for an artist or what the fans want. It's all > about copyright infringements and unathorized usage of an artists work. And > it's not just INXS, it's every other artist who's material is being posted > to the internet without permission. Some artists don't care and do nothing, > some go against the legal advice and give their music away, and some are > working closely to shut down sites. INXS has made no steps in any > direction. However, if the band feels it's in their best interest and the > legal advise is sound, it could happen. The documents to shut down their > fansites were drawn months ago, are ready to be signed, and haven't been > (and hopefully never will) - although there was an incident a few months > ago when it almost happened to inxsweb.com - but it was thwarted at the > last minute by one fateful phone call. > > I felt you should all know the true story. > > Cheers, > Mary Woods > IN2XS X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 14:34:51 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:34:04 EDT From: SayHi2Sydney@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: FW: INXS.com statement In a message dated 10/2/99 1:57:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com writes: << The documents to shut down their > fansites were drawn months ago, are ready to be signed, and haven't been > (and hopefully never will) - >> >From a business standpoint this would be a terrible move on their behalf. Because the fans DO see Neil's website as the source for what we need and have come to rely upon it. It has provided the product the admittedly rather small market demanded which INXS ignored for however long. Regardless of ownership rights- it did make them money and promote their business venture. Downgrading a very good advertisment that has a loyal base is bad business. I hope INXS doesn't listen to copyright law thumpers and sees the benefit fan based sites create. >> It is not editorial comment written by Neil. Any listings of this sort were > compiled over a period of time from many people and many sources, so giving > a credit to any one person for this kind of information is not necessary.<< This is a ridiculous statement. Here is an example I adhere it to, many sources produce the same history information on wars, dates of invasions, names of locations...etc but if you gather it all from the encylopedia you give that encylopedia bibliographic credits. Why is this any different? If you blatently lift the information from where Neil has compiled it (regardless of his sources - which he noted) you need to cite him has your major source. It would then be a choice whether to break it down further. But please, copying a page links and all is using Neil as a source. Citing him is good business. Alienating your major supporters is worse than seeing the INXS logo on a few extra pages. ~Sydney X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 14:41:20 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:36:33 -0500 From: "BPRice" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: FW: INXS.com statement So how come Neil's site is not on the links page???????? -----Original Message----- From: Nanci Lamb Roider To: Multiple recipients of Date: Saturday, October 02, 1999 12:41 PM Subject: INXS: FW: INXS.com statement >> Hi Folks, >> >> Again, I've asked Nanci to post this for me. Another long one, sorry, but >> please read it. There's some important info here. >> >> Thanks for the feedback about inxs.com. We're aware of the things that need >> to be fixed and in short order it will get updated. Monday's a holiday in >> Australia, so it looks like it won't be until Tuesday that work can begin >> again. >> >> A few things: >> >> The text in the gigography originally did come from Neil's site and was >> placed there only as dummy text, for position only. Significant changes and >> additions were made to a gigography listing but thru a technical glitch it >> defaulted back to the originally placed text which was meant to be erased. >> This is being corrected to show the updated version. >> >> However, I would like to point out that this text, and other text that may >> seem to come from a different source other than inxs.com is generic BAND >> history information. Neil (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't own it. >> It is not editorial comment written by Neil. Any listings of this sort were >> compiled over a period of time from many people and many sources, so giving >> a credit to any one person for this kind of information is not necessary. >> >> Also, I have asked Chaos to include the remaining photo credits as some are >> some missing. >> >> And I feel the time has come to tell you all something, so we can put an >> end to this hot debate once and for all. >> >> Over the past year or so there has been so much negative and spiteful >> rumblings about the band's "MANAGEMENT". Blaming 'them' for everything >> wrong in the world of INXS, even suggesting the band is being horribly >> misled by a bunch of phantom evil corporate hate mongers who are out to get >> the fans and use and abuse them.... (my interpretation). >> >> Well, the truth is, the band are managing themselves and have been since >> last December. They do not have a management team, they are making their >> own decisions, meeting every couple weeks. David Edwards is their >> lieutenent, if you will, basically implementing what they want done. He >> also has full authority to make decisions on their behalf when appropriate >> and necessary and he certainly does (and he's not someone you want to get >> on the wrong side of and mess with, ha ha ha!!). I do part-time duty >> answering email, researching materials for their archives, help with the >> website (and yes, sell their merchandise). Basically, we're it, no one else >> really handling the day-to-day. Since it's internal business stuff >> concerning only the band we didn't feel it was appropriate to announce it. >> >> They also rely heavily on their legal advisors, license holders, and music >> industry decision makers, because.....hell that's what they pay them to do. >> At the end of the day, when all is said and done, it's those people's >> directives they will follow if they feel it's warranted. >> >> You should all understand that it's NOT the band ("management") who wants >> to harrass or shut down fansites, it's the above mentioned industry and >> legal entities that desperately want to, certainly can and will if they're >> given the go-ahead from the artists. It's not a threat, just a reality. >> These industry folks have absolutely no emotional investment what-so-ever >> in what the fans have done for an artist or what the fans want. It's all >> about copyright infringements and unathorized usage of an artists work. And >> it's not just INXS, it's every other artist who's material is being posted >> to the internet without permission. Some artists don't care and do nothing, >> some go against the legal advice and give their music away, and some are >> working closely to shut down sites. INXS has made no steps in any >> direction. However, if the band feels it's in their best interest and the >> legal advise is sound, it could happen. The documents to shut down their >> fansites were drawn months ago, are ready to be signed, and haven't been >> (and hopefully never will) - although there was an incident a few months >> ago when it almost happened to inxsweb.com - but it was thwarted at the >> last minute by one fateful phone call. >> >> I felt you should all know the true story. >> >> Cheers, >> Mary Woods >> IN2XS X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 14:54:13 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 11:51:11 PDT From: "Heidi J." To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 02:50:54 -0500, BPRice wrote: I have windows media player but yesterday i downloaded Liquid Player...so did my friend...its really cool!! I love the web site!! The pictures are great and Lisa did you see that picture of Kirk smiling...woah...he's got one cute smile...lol!! Heidi > You need to download the Windows Media Player to see the videos. It takes > about 15-20 minutes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Markus Pfeffer > To: Multiple recipients of > Date: Friday, October 01, 1999 3:08 PM > Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com > > > >The new www.inxs.com site is great, I still need to take some time to > explore it. > > > >Anyway, do the videos work for anyone? The links seem to be down. > > > >On another note, I wonder why www.inxsweb.com is NOT in the links-section. > > > >I think if ONE site really deserves a link, then it's Neil's. > > > >He has kept the memory of INXS alive for almost 2 years while inxs.com > wasn't (understandably) changed, so I thought he > >deserves at least a little link. > > > >Markus X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 15:07:16 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Courtney Chase To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: inxs.com statement OK, I've had enough.... Ms. Mary Woods wrote: > > > > A few things: > > > > The text in the gigography originally did come > from Neil's site and was > > placed there only as dummy text, for position > only. Significant changes and > > additions were made to a gigography listing but > thru a technical glitch it > > defaulted back to the originally placed text which > was meant to be erased. > > This is being corrected to show the updated > version. So what?? You stole everything right down to the code of the pages... how low can you go?? I bet we haven't even begun to see that yet. Did you think we wouldn't notice the stolen work?? C'mon. Too bad Davy doesn't still have the songography up so you could "borrow" that, too, only to make it your own by adding some bold here and there. Jesus. > > > > However, I would like to point out that this text, > and other text that may > > seem to come from a different source other than > inxs.com is generic BAND > > history information. Neil (or anyone else for that > matter) doesn't own it. This is where you're wrong. You stole the code right down to the letter. Why do you think there are copyrights on history books? Because someone put it in their own words. And if nothing else, you stole an idea. That, if pressed, could get you in a LOT of trouble. > > It is not editorial comment written by Neil. Any > listings of this sort were > > compiled over a period of time from many people > and many sources, so giving > > a credit to any one person for this kind of > information is not necessary. You're splitting hairs, here, Mary. I honestly don't know how you sleep at night. > > > > And I feel the time has come to tell you all > something, so we can put an > > end to this hot debate once and for all....... > > Well, the truth is, the band are managing > themselves and have been since > > last December. Well, it's good that people know this, now.... but so sad considering that people firmly believed that INXS could never be so cold when it comes to their fansites. And don't blame the industry, Mary. You know as well as I do that fansites and "official" sites can peacefully coexist and that it doesn't have to be so ugly. > > > > You should all understand that it's NOT the band > ("management") who wants > > to harrass or shut down fansites, it's the above > mentioned industry and > > legal entities that desperately want to, certainly > can and will if they're > > given the go-ahead from the artists. but that doesn't mean that any action that "has to be taken" can't be done in a polite and respectful manner. This is the point that you all have missed repeatedly. The fans have done an awesome job keeping the INXS flame alive with fansites while INXS needed time to regroup. Without fansites like inxsweb.com and this list (originated by Neil of inxsweb.com) the INXS flame would have gone out 2 years ago, Mary. No one would be around to care that inxs.com was up and running. We would listen to our music, but we would have given up on the band. But because (a lot of) someone(s) gave a damn, we didn't. Now Neil is being treated like shit and you come up with lengths of excuses as to why this is OK. Well it's not OK. And don't treat me like I don't know anything, because I know enough to know how you've treated Neil. If this is how the band treats someone who has supported them and kept their presence on the Web alive for the past 5 years, I would hate to see how they would treat someone who crosses them. It's completely ungrateful and disrespectful. > > These industry folks have absolutely no emotional > investment what-so-ever > > in what the fans have done for an artist or what > the fans want. It's all > > about copyright infringements and unathorized > usage of an artists work. But it's OK for you guys to do it, though.. Like the Discography -- you know that Chaos didn't take the years of research that it took Neil to compile the discography... You all did it with the click of a mouse... you stole it straight from his site and laughed while you did it. It's truly disgusting. The > documents to shut down their > > fansites were drawn months ago, are ready to be > signed, and haven't been > > (and hopefully never will) so that's just suppose to dangle over our heads... ooh, they might send a letter. Big deal, Mary -- it's the fact that you just said that it takes INXS go ahead for them to do it. That's what matters to fans. That INXS would do that to the people that supported them for the past 20 years. Don't you get that???????? You just go ahead and keep digging your hole thinking that you're going to make it OK. That's fine. There are some people who will choose sides, and I'm sure it's apparent that I've already chosen mine. I still love INXS music... I always will. But I'm waiting for INXS to do something respectful so that I can regain my faith in them again. It's becoming more and more apparent that that will never happen. It's not a matter of INXS versus Neil in the battle of the Web. It doesnt' have to be like that. But you've made it like that. You and Davo and the rest. You've been so cold and so heartless because Neil had the devotion and the love to do something for years before INXS cared about their official site and hundreds of fans followed in his footsteps. He didn't do this for himself, Mary, he did this for the Band. This is not the way I'd repay a faithful friend. But then again, I don't understand a lot of what the band is doing these days. Maybe it's better that way. -Courtney ===== "My dad always used to tell me that if they challenge you to an after-school fight, tell them you won't wait--you can kick their ass right now." ---Cameron Diaz X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 16:10:52 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:04:11 EDT From: Inxsnut@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: inxs.com statement I am fairly new to the list and I must have been in a closet because I just got the keyword to Neil's web site off of Courtney's letter, so I decided to check it out and it is great! So much information! Great pictures! Great updates! Oh my, I have just been opened up to a whole new web site! GREAT JOB NEIL! And by the way who is Mary? Is she someone close to the band? I am confused on this whole matter but I was just curious. Anyway great job NEIL! Renee X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 16:28:08 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:20:56 EDT From: Poocsie@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.COM What's the point in reading a site with censored news? We might as well wait for the press releases, which I'm sure will be available on Neil's site aong with the real news. X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 16:57:03 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:47:08 EDT From: RStreeting@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: FW: INXS.com statement In a message dated 10/2/99 10:57:23 AM, nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com writes: << David Edwards is their > lieutenent, if you will, basically implementing what they want done. He > also has full authority to make decisions on their behalf when appropriate > and necessary and he certainly does (and he's not someone you want to get > on the wrong side of and mess with, ha ha ha!!). I do part-time duty > answering email, researching materials for their archives, help with the > website (and yes, sell their merchandise). Basically, we're it, no one else > really handling the day-to-day. Since it's internal business stuff > concerning only the band we didn't feel it was appropriate to announce it. INXS has made no steps in any direction. However, if the band feels it's in their best interest and the > legal advise is sound, it could happen. The documents to shut down their > fansites were drawn months ago, are ready to be signed, and haven't been > (and hopefully never will) - although there was an incident a few months > ago when it almost happened to inxsweb.com - but it was thwarted at the > last minute by one fateful phone call. >> Why is does it seem in the past few months that nearly any communication coming from the "other side" smacks more than a little bit of hostility? It appears to the reader that e mails posted from the band or Mary are not so subtle threats - when did we, the list members and supporters of this fabulous band, become the enemy? I was excited to see INXS.com and am grateful for its arrival and will be visiting often. Now I am left wondering -there is no room for the INXS.com site to peacefully coexist on the web among some of the wonderful fan sites? That's rather sad and discouraging. Don't we deserve a bit better treatment than the patronizing posts that have come through lately? I'm disappointed. Not to mention, there are many of us who are INXS fans who are in the guys' age range, and we don't appreciate the undertone in INXS land lately. We're not naughty children to be talked down to, we are the people who have loved your music and tried to support you through a very dark and difficult time of loss and sadness. We are the same people who will buy Michael's lp and look forward to whatever product INXS puts out in the future. And - needless to say - we still love INXS! But - could we lighten up a bit here? X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sat Oct 2 19:09:50 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Courtney Chase To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: FW: from alt.music.inxs Hello All- Just wanted to pass along the message from Victoria Doidge (the head honcho of Chaos Music) that she posted in response to Neil's message (forwarding the press release for the launch of inxs.com) on alt.music.inxs. The only reason I'm forwarding this is because it's part of the entire informational package... I realize a lot of you are lost about what's going on and if you haven't been around for a long time, that's completely understandable. I wish that I was lost sometimes LOL. But anyway... I could go on and on about what's gone on, but I've gone off enough for one day :-P Oh, yeah... someone asked who Mary is. She use to be the head of IN2XS, the INXS fan club. What she does now in addition to that, I'm not so sure... she's never really told us what her title is. But anyway, that's who she is. and without further ado, the message from Ms. Doidge. hi neil the quote below simply states that we are endevouring to encourage traffic back to the official voice of INXS. it does not denigrate the work that you have done building a community online. infact i approached you directly hoping that we could work together in the future to build a community online. instead of cooperating you have chosen to criticise the bands endeavours and spread completely unsubstantiated rumours re the amount of money they have spent on their web site and the relationship between ChaosMusic and the band. in my short dealings with you it seems that you are more concerned with protecting your own commecial online ventures then being a loyal fan of INXS. i hope that the true fans of INXS reading this will enjoy the many exciting activites we have planned online for INXS and more importantly respect this wishes of INXS in relation to how they are represented online. see you at INXS.com at midnight EST ! regards Victoria Doidge Company Director ChaosMusic Level 3, 21 Oxford St Darlinghurst 2010 Tel +61 2 92673777 Fax +61 2 92673557 www.chaosmusic.com ===== "My dad always used to tell me that if they challenge you to an after-school fight, tell them you won't wait--you can kick their ass right now." ---Cameron Diaz X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 00:14:42 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:07:20 -0400 From: Neil Kothari To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com . . . for better Victoria, Victoria Doidge wrote: > the quote below simply states that we are endevouring to encourage > traffic back to the official voice of INXS. it does not denigrate > the work that you have done building a community online. infact i > approached you directly hoping that we could work together in the > future to build a community online. instead of cooperating you > have chosen to criticise the bands endeavours and spread > completely unsubstantiated rumours re the amount of money they > have spent on their web site and the relationship between > ChaosMusic and the band. Where in my personal reply to you did I say I did not want to try and work together? I only asked for some clarification on the quote that you had made. Instead of a cordial email back, I get this nasty message from you on alt.music.inxs. I'm not sure that was an appropriate response. But let's move on -- what unsubstantiated rumors have I made about the amount of money INXS has spent? Where have I ever said anything about the relationship between ChaosMusic and the band? Are you confusing me with someone else? I have said *nothing* about either of these two points other than to say I'm sure they spent a lot. If anything, isn't that a complement on the quality of your work? Sheesh. > in my short dealings with you it seems that you are more > concerned with protecting your own commecial online ventures then > being a loyal fan of INXS. First off, you haven't had *any* dealings with me before -- you sent me one email which I responded to asking for clarification. And where are you drawing the ridiculous assertion that I am somehow protecting a commercial venture? I don't even have a commercial venture! My site makes no money -- in fact, I pay for it out of my pocket. As for questioning my "loyalty" to INXS -- excuse me, but who exactly are you to question it? You work for a firm that's getting paid by INXS -- I've been a fan for over 15 years and have poured blood sweat and tears into my website *just* because I love INXS. > i hope that the true fans of INXS reading this will enjoy the > many exciting activites we have planned online for INXS and more > importantly respect this wishes of INXS in relation to how they > are represented online. The "true" fans? Excuse me? How utterly insulting. As for the "exciting activities" you have planned -- I like any other INXS fan look forward to them with anticipation. What we do not look forward to is the continued rudeness and disrespect being shown. -neil -- UMDNJ-NJMS 2000 -- http://www.umdnj.edu/~kotharne/ An Excess of INXS -- http://inxsweb.com/ Now Playing: Tricky "Juxtapose" X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 00:21:35 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:28:02 -0000 From: "CATHY-xs5" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Just my thought Hi out there...WOW! I like INXS.com...I've only just begun to spend time there..But, what I've seen so far is cool...{..Iam seeing and reading things I would not have a privilege to if not for this site...(Thanks to all involved with getting it together}.. RStreeting said "we still love INXS, but- could we lighten up a bit here." Thanks for that because I Love the band and this should be fun and jumpy like...I've been this way for a long time {smile}... As far as the commercial aspect..hey ..wake up..and go to the bank.. Cathy X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 00:28:54 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 10:55:34 +1100 From: Matthew Marsland To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: inxs.com statement At 11:59 AM 2/10/99 -0700, you wrote: >copyrights on history books? Because someone put it in >their own words. And if nothing else, you stole an >idea. That, if pressed, could get you in a LOT of >trouble. The INXS gigography was infact my idea...Neil emailed me to ask me a while back if I was still thinking of making a page with all the tour dates, and I said no and that he could, so he went ahead and made it on his site. I realise a listing of tour dates isn't exactly an original idea as most band sites probably have that...but I just wanted to point out what happened in this case because no INXS sites had it when I thought of it. Added to that I typed up a number of tour dates for Neil from my sources...as I believe Mary did as well, as did a number of other people because Neil didn't have many. However having said that the fact that the 'test data' that came from Neil's page was up on inxs.com was a mistake by the designers and should not have happened. Anyway I believe the test data has been removed now, so the problem is fixed. >But it's OK for you guys to do it, though.. Like the >Discography -- you know that Chaos didn't take the >years of research that it took Neil to compile the >discography... You all did it with the click of a >mouse... you stole it straight from his site and >laughed while you did it. It's truly disgusting. Infact the discography came straight from the IN2XS fanclub newsletter. Incase people don't realise Mary wrote that...she is an expert when it comes to INXS records and collectables. If Mary had of gone to Neil's discography who cares? Why would it effect you for where the info came from? For your information Neil's discography was based around Mary's collection when it started! Neil had a print out of it and typed all her hundreds of items in. So you could probably be thanking Mary for Neil's discography. However since then Neil has done a great job adding stuff and it's the most detailed INXS one on the internet, and different from inxs.com's. I don't see why there needs to be a fight both sites are great, fans will just make sure they check two INXS sites now instead of one everyday. The more INXS stuff the better I would have thought? As I've stated in the past I read Neil's site everyday and have done so for years. As for Neil not having a link on the site...he stated quite clearly he wanted nothing to do with inxs.com. If he does want a link he knows who to contact. Everyone who has a link had asked to be put on. The sites weren't handpicked by anyone people are implying, if you want your INXS site on inxs.com just write to the address on the site. Matthew. X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 00:33:16 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:53:12 -0700 From: dierdre To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: FW: INXS.com statement is it just me, or do Mary Woods' post irritate the shit out of anyone else?? I wish she would subscribe already and stop making me think a post has something relevant to say because it was sent by Nancy. If I could see her name on it, I'd delete in a heartbeat. "cheers" dierdre - who is just *so* sick of it all already! X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 00:39:37 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 19:25:10 PDT From: "Jay Rawding" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: inxs.com statement It took me a few minutes to sort out what I thought when I first read the note Nanci had posted on behalf of Mary Woods and the band. I think INXS are burning quite a few bridges here by listening to strictly to "legal advisors", but I am glad to see them proclaiming they have partial responsiblity in the decisions of late. In the end, while I am grudging to accept the manner in which all of the hype surrounding INXS.com has unfolded, I am very glad it has finally arrived, and I am impressed with what I have seen. That brings me to my real concern, which I cited a few months back. I am concerned with the way things are going, and I think primarily it has to do with the lines of communication. We as fans are used to having to scrounge around for information, but this time it seems as if the information and the manner in which it is presented is being thrust upon us. I just think that if there are issues with individual fans or fansites, both sides (management and fan) should try to be as professional as possible to get the issues resolved. BUT I have no idea who is right and wrong in this because of all the finger-pointing, but I will say it seems to me that the paper trail (or the e-mail trail in this case, I guess) will be the best way of resolving all the problems. To make a long story short, I think time will tell how this all plays out, but if it makes any difference, I want to be as supportive an INXS fan as possible, whether it be through splitting my time visiting INXS.com and inxsweb.com or by continuing to listen to my INXS cds which I love and cherish. HOWEVER, I think that whatever decisions are inevitably made, INXS themselves may want to either send an e-mail to the mailing list or post a note on the official site to say where they stand on all of these issues once and for all. This kind of an action would clarify how they feel, rather than having people speak on their behalf. Again, I AM glad the inxs.com website is up. I'm just afraid at what cost. Jay X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 00:44:26 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 14:08:48 -1851 From: Deep Sea Skiving To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com . . . for better Neil weren't you actually a friend of Michael's & have been involved with the band in some way over the yrs? > The "true" fans? Excuse me? How utterly insulting. As for the > "exciting activities" you have planned -- I like any other INXS > fan look forward to them with anticipation. What we do not look > forward to is the continued rudeness and disrespect being shown. > > -neil > > -- > UMDNJ-NJMS 2000 -- http://www.umdnj.edu/~kotharne/ > An Excess of INXS -- http://inxsweb.com/ > Now Playing: Tricky "Juxtapose" > X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 08:27:49 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 01:33:38 -0400 From: Neil Kothari To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: inxs.com statement Matthew, Before I reply -- here's an idea. The main thing that Davo was upset about with respect to the web sites was the presence of MP3's due to copyright infringement. Though I still disagree (heck, what's to stop anyone from making bootleg CD's from the MP3's on inxs.com???) with that logic, *WE REMOVED THE MP3'S FROM OUR SITES*. Rather than ending the dispute between fan websites and management -- things just continued to sour as each side attacked the other. Why don't we just stop and start respecting each other again? That entails giving credit for material used on inxs.com that is copyrighted to other sites -- namely the discography and gigography. Just a simple thank you or link is sufficient. But read on so you understand where I'm coming from... > The INXS gigography was infact my idea...Neil emailed me to ask me > a while back if I was still thinking of making a page with all the > tour dates, and I said no and that he could, so he went ahead and > made it on his site. > I typed up a number of tour dates for Neil from my sources...as I > believe Mary did as well, as did a number of other people because > Neil didn't have many. However having said that the fact that the > 'test data' that came from Neil's page was up on inxs.com was a > mistake by the designers and should not have happened. Anyway > I believe the test data has been removed now, so the > problem is fixed. Yes, Matthew -- the gigography was absolutely your idea. But at least 75% of the information on that page was from my research, so I have every right to be a tad irritated that the page was lifted *word for word* without my permission or without a credit on the site. I'm sure you can understand that. > Infact the discography came straight from the IN2XS fanclub > newsletter. Incase people don't realise Mary wrote that...she is > an expert when it comes to INXS records and collectables. If Mary > had of gone to Neil's discography who cares? Why would it effect > you for where the info came from? For your information Neil's > discography was based around Mary's collection when it started! > Neil had a print out of it and typed all her hundreds of items in. > So you could probably be thanking Mary for Neil's discography. You're playing both sides, Matthew. INXS can't scream about copyright infringement on the part of fan websites, and then say "who cares" and "why would it effect you for where the info came from" for the discography because that's condoning the copyright theft from my site... It doesn't work like that. First off -- I'm as much an expert on INXS records and collectibles as Mary, and my collection is easily as big. (Trust me) As for the assumption that my discography was built on the back of Mary's collection list -- that's one of the most complete bullshit comments I've ever seen written, and I'm shocked that Mary had the gall to tell you that, because there's no other way you could think such a thing. Yes, Mary sent me her list many years ago, and yes, about 90-100 entries were added to the discography as a result. At the time, though, there were already many hundreds of entries present. As for *acknowledging* Mary's contribution, her email address is present along with many others in my thanks section at the bottom of http://inxsweb.com/discography.html -- of course, the fact that neither my name nor inxsweb.com is credited with *any* of the discography/gigography information on inxs.com has not gone unnoticed... About a year ago (when Mary and I still spoke to each other) -- she actually had the gall to *TELL ME ON THE PHONE* that she was just going to steal the discography information, and that (I quote) "there is nothing you can do about it." I didn't tell her that original compilations (such as my discography project) was protected by US copyright law, but I guess I should have... I'm not trying to make a big deal about any of this -- but you're the one that has brought this all up. So my proposal still stands -- I would love to bury the hatchet and move on. We got rid of the MP3's -- now all I ask is that the information used on inxs.com that was taken from my site be properly credited. Is that too much to ask? > As for Neil not having a link on the site...he stated quite > clearly he wanted nothing to do with inxs.com. You're absolutely right that I stated that. -- UMDNJ-NJMS 2000 -- http://www.umdnj.edu/~kotharne/ An Excess of INXS -- http://inxsweb.com/ Now Playing: Tricky "Juxtapose" X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 08:31:49 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 23:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: david smith To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: MH special I've been listening to triple M (www.mrock.com.au) for the last two hours and I heard nothing about that special. Am I at the wrong place?!! ===== X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 08:36:21 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:37:10 -0500 From: "Jesse A Torres" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com (for better or for worse) Can I vent? I didn't want to jump into this mess right off, because I wanted to see how things would develop. Now, I see another official voice slamming Neil. *HE's not a true fan!* Give me a freaking break! Sure technically he may have a commercial site, if he makes a nickel at CDNow or whatever, but is that nickel his major concern? And his bottom line is *red*, like he said, he loses money on the site. The biggest gripe I have about INXS.com (the site itself) is that the tribute vid to Micheal is in a media form that cannot be saved. It's free, it's a tribute, but you can't save it. Why? Unless you have a perfect PC and perfect connection, you have to watch it in a herky-jerky manner. Oh yeah, perfect tribute... Did I explore the whole site? No. Am I going back? No. Not even to chat with the guys? No. Not until I read a public statement saying they regret the treatment that Neil has received. They don't have to say that Mary and Victoria are evil or had malicious intentions. They can be professional and say they went too far. Thanks for reading, Jesse T X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 08:39:25 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 02:36:32 -0500 From: "BPRice" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: inxs.com statement HOWEVER, I think that whatever decisions are inevitably made, INXS >themselves may want to either send an e-mail to the mailing list or post a >note on the official site to say where they stand on all of these issues >once and for all. This kind of an action would clarify how they feel, rather >than having people speak on their behalf. > >Jay > Exactly. I think the only thing that can really resolve this whole issue is if the band were to come forward in some way or other and lay out just what they feel about it all. That right there may very possibly clear everything up. And I don't think they can avoid it, if they do live online interviews on their site like they promised. That may very well be the dominating issue in such a forum (unless, of course, they monitor our user names and prevent us from participating--let's see, there's Neil's user name <>, etc). B X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 08:45:42 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 02:40:04 -0500 From: "BPRice" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: inxs.com statement I don't see why this whole issue had to become so nasty. And I blame the legal/corporate/management/whoever else Mary named for a lot of it. An official site an Neil's site can very well co-exist peacefully and to the mutual benefit of both. But it just seems that they feel threatened by Neil's site, plain and simple. I mean, you remember when they first launched INXS.COM in 1997? It paled in comparison to Neil's, and I think maybe they're determined not to let that happen this time around, and they're willing to go to greater lengths to do it. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Jay Rawding To: Multiple recipients of Date: Saturday, October 02, 1999 11:46 PM Subject: INXS: inxs.com statement >It took me a few minutes to sort out what I thought when I first read the >note Nanci had posted on behalf of Mary Woods and the band. > >I think INXS are burning quite a few bridges here by listening to strictly >to "legal advisors", but I am glad to see them proclaiming they have partial >responsiblity in the decisions of late. In the end, while I am grudging to >accept the manner in which all of the hype surrounding INXS.com has >unfolded, I am very glad it has finally arrived, and I am impressed with >what I have seen. > >That brings me to my real concern, which I cited a few months back. I am >concerned with the way things are going, and I think primarily it has to do >with the lines of communication. We as fans are used to having to scrounge >around for information, but this time it seems as if the information and the >manner in which it is presented is being thrust upon us. I just think that >if there are issues with individual fans or fansites, both sides (management >and fan) should try to be as professional as possible to get the issues >resolved. BUT I have no idea who is right and wrong in this because of all >the finger-pointing, but I will say it seems to me that the paper trail (or >the e-mail trail in this case, I guess) will be the best way of resolving >all the problems. > >To make a long story short, I think time will tell how this all plays out, >but if it makes any difference, I want to be as supportive an INXS fan as >possible, whether it be through splitting my time visiting INXS.com and >inxsweb.com or by continuing to listen to my INXS cds which I love and >cherish. HOWEVER, I think that whatever decisions are inevitably made, INXS >themselves may want to either send an e-mail to the mailing list or post a >note on the official site to say where they stand on all of these issues >once and for all. This kind of an action would clarify how they feel, rather >than having people speak on their behalf. > >Again, I AM glad the inxs.com website is up. I'm just afraid at what cost. > >Jay X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 11:33:46 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 11:43:26 -0400 From: Neil Kothari To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: A Straight Line Hey gang, The new single has entered the ARIA Charts in Australia at #44... Though it's great to see the single has charted at all, I was certainly hoping for better. In any event, if the song picks up steam, who knows where it'll be next week. -neil -- UMDNJ-NJMS 2000 -- http://www.umdnj.edu/~kotharne/ An Excess of INXS -- http://inxsweb.com/ Now Playing: Tricky "Juxtapose" X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 12:06:51 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 09:05:49 PDT From: "Heidi J." To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: Just my thought On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:28:02 -0000, CATHY-xs5 wrote: > RStreeting said "we still love INXS, but- could we lighten up a bit here." I agree with you cathy....we all love INXS but we're making a mountain out of a mohill...ok i'm very glad inxs.com is up but the list is starting to get the way it was with the MP3's. Can't we just be happy that its up and running...i mean it took them a long time to get the web site up...and even before it was up and running...we were all just itching to have it up and running and now that its up and running...there is bickering going on. Cut your teeth and make your peace. Heidi X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 12:25:53 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: 3 Oct 1999 13:31:02 EDT From: Shabooh@bbs.imaginativa.cl To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: INXS.com (for worse) Hi all, I don't usually post to the List, but I thought I would share my opinions concerning inxs.com with you. I didn't like it. As simple as that. I'm not impressed by anything on inxs.com. Where are the tons of information they promised us? All I get is: stolen pages, dead links, a tribute video for Michael which cannot be saved, pictures of the band we all know, exclusive download of "Kick"?!? (give us a break), etc. If this site is the "official" then give us the information we can't find anywhere on the net. Mr. Mike Gee said inxs.com is a lovely site... I'd like to know why he thinks so. My opinion is that inxs.com is mediocre at best. A cold website, that's a perfect adjective if any of you don't like the word "mediocre". It's cold because inxs.com was (re)created thanks to a lot of money and by a firm which is very far from being a huge fan of the band. Websites like Neil's An Excess of INXS and so many others were created by true fans with love, dedication, and admiration for INXS and their music. That cannot be replaced. Those factors make these sites warm not cold. Finally, my public support to Neil Kothari. Inxsweb.com is and will be the official website we all need as true fans, no matter what. Tatiana Piaggio (Chile) X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 12:59:10 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 09:56:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Courtney Chase To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: INXS.com (for better or for worse) --- Jesse A Torres wrote: It's free, it's a tribute, but you can't > save it. > Why? Unless you have a perfect PC and perfect > connection, you have to watch it in a herky-jerky > manner. > Oh yeah, perfect tribute... > Actually, Davy and I both are running 300+ processors on a 768k down 128 up dsl line (not bragging, but it truly is cool... i highly recommend DSL) and it's still herky-jerky.... and spotted. While I loved the video, I wasn't impressed with the quality either. Courtney ===== "My dad always used to tell me that if they challenge you to an after-school fight, tell them you won't wait--you can kick their ass right now." ---Cameron Diaz X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 13:02:50 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: 3 Oct 99 09:57:43 PDT From: David Jones To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: [INXS.com (for better or for worse)] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smtp-2.mdc.net id NAA55649 "Jesse A Torres" wrote: > The biggest gripe I have about INXS.com > (the site itself) is that the > tribute vid to Micheal is in a media form that cannot > be saved. It's free, it's a tribute, but you can't save it. > Why? Unless you have a perfect PC and perfect > connection, you have to watch it in a herky-jerky manner. > Oh yeah, perfect tribute... If it makes you feel any better Jesse, it has nothing to do with your PC. I have an AMD K6 300 with a 750Kbps DSL connection. There is absolutely NO reason I should have problems with the video and its VERY jerky on my machine. Very poor video conversion on their part. :-( Davy X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 13:33:41 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: 3 Oct 99 10:25:11 PDT From: David Jones To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: FW: INXS.com statement X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smtp-2.mdc.net id NAA58158 Ok people, strap yourself in because you're in for one hellova ride... Mary Woods said: > > The text in the gigography originally did come from Neil's site and was > placed there only as dummy text, for position only. Significant changes > and additions were made to a gigography listing but thru a technical > glitch it defaulted back to the originally placed text which was meant > to be erased. This is being corrected to show the updated version. > However, I would like to point out that this text, and other text that > may seem to come from a different source other than inxs.com is generic > BAND history information. Neil (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't > own it. It is not editorial comment written by Neil. Any listings of > this sort were compiled over a period of time from many people and many > sources, so giving a credit to any one person for this kind of > information is not necessary. Yeah right. Mary, during my conversations with you and David Edwards earlier, I told you that my MP3 site was not the first time that I have stuck my hand into the internet copyright arena. In the past, I compiled a work which, for the most part, was derived from "information" copied from other sources. Before publishing the document I looked into copyright laws to make sure I had my ass covered. In addition to this, I did some research for a friend of mine who is a lawyer which required me to read about 6,000 court cases filed on a federal level between 1975 and 1990 and a fair share of those were copyright related. Unfortunately for you, even if you are quoting an informational source, if you quote it word for word without changing the structural configuration of the data, you ARE REQUIRED give credit. Even though information cannot be copied, the manner in which the information is related CAN be copyrighted. Neil owns the copyright on the gigography and what you did was no less illegal than what I did with the MP3 website. I know this for a fact and I'm not even a lawyer. If you seriously think that what you did was justifiable, then your either didn't consult your legal advisors first or dug them up from under a rock. Oh yeah, and its pretty friggin obvious that you stole the Discography too. Granted, I doubt it could ever be proven, but NEVER in my life have I seen an official website have a discography that as detailed as the one on INXS.COM. If no other band has gone to such lengths to produce such a detailed work, what motivated you to do it? That is, of course, unless you didn't produce the detailed work. I mean, sure, from a legal point of view, you can probably justify what you did, but from a moralistic point of view I don't think very many people would agree with you. And while we are that topic, I seem to recall a few months ago that somebody from the INXS management group anonymously posted to Neil's message board that I should think about how the band feels about having all of their hard work posted for free, publicly on the internet (regarding the MP3 website). Obviously you didn't take the time to heed your own words because you didn't seem to care about all of the hard work that Neil put into the gigography and discography before stealing those from him. You (and by you I mean the entire management team) are nothing but hypocrites and theives. If there is even the teeniest tiniest bit inside of you that beleives your actions against me and my MP3 site were justifiable and correct, then nothing short of an apology is due to Neil because you have done the exact same thing to him. You have raped him equally as bad, if not worse, than you claim I have done to you. And one other thing, at least when dealing with the MP3 site, I had the respect and dignity to admit that I was wrong and apologize to you despite how rudely I was treated. From every peice of correspondence I have seen from management, I can't help but think that if I opened up the dictonary on your desk that the three words respect, dignity, and apology would be run over with a black marker so you couldn't use them. Another irony I would like to point out is that in the press release from Victoria Droige, she stated there was a "challenge" in creating the new inxs.com website. Would you please explain how taking Neil's information "challenging?" I've done some plagarism in the past and beleive me, there is no challenge to it. And finally on that topic, I am curious know _WHY_? Why did you feel the need to steal this stuff? As the official website you have access to SO MANY things that Neil doesn't. You have done and could have done so much more with www.inxs.com that Neil couldn't possibly do that fans would have (and will anyway) come to the site to see. Its not like taking those things was actually going to generate more traffic for you. Aside from being just plain petty, what you did served you no purpose. Can you please explain what you possibly thought would be gained by having these two things available on your website? > Also, I have asked Chaos to include the remaining photo credits as some > are some missing. Yeah, thats not all thats missing. I have to tell you some hilarious things I found at your website. 1) Some of the pages work only with Internet Explorer, on my machine at home not all of them are Netscape friendly. 2) All of the movies avaiable for download have the word "lowband" in the title. Obviously there were intentions of making a "highband" version at some point for those of us with DSL or other high speed connections. Why aren't they there? 3) the URL for your opening flash page is indexed with the directory "inxsbeta". Beta, for those of you not in the know, means that something is still in the testing stages. If you put all three of these things together, it would seem that you didn't finish the site before launch as you had intended. I have to admit that the site has potential to be really good. Its too bad you felt the need to rush the launch date before you finished polishing it. If it were a fan based site, I could forgive. But for something that was done professionally, its inexcusable. I mean no offense to the fans who are reading this, but its too bad not very many people are technologically "in the know" to realizing how embarrasing this is. I can't help but think that something pushed you into forcing the launch of this website prematurely. > And I feel the time has come to tell you all something, so we can put an > end to this hot debate once and for all. > Over the past year or so there has been so much negative and spiteful > rumblings about the band's "MANAGEMENT". Blaming 'them' for everything > wrong in the world of INXS, even suggesting the band is being horribly > misled by a bunch of phantom evil corporate hate mongers who are out to > get the fans and use and abuse them.... (my interpretation). > Well, the truth is, the band are managing themselves and have been since > last December. They do not have a management team, they are making their > own decisions, meeting every couple weeks. David Edwards is their > lieutenent, if you will, basically implementing what they want done. He > also has full authority to make decisions on their behalf when > appropriate and necessary. Oh really? So are you saying that the decision to steal Neil's information was not YOUR decision but actually the decision of the band members themselves? Are you also saying that all of those rude letters that I received from David Edwards were in similar sentiment to those of the band? Are you saying that when Victoria Droige made a statment on alt.music.inxs and accused Neil of not co-operating because he had his "own commercial online ventures" that the lie didn't come from her but it came from the band? When David Edwards told me that I wasn't a true fans of INXS (I still have that email, so don't for a second think about calling me a liar) that those were the sentiments of the five remaining members as well? I mean, I can understand that sometimes when you give somebody a little bit of authority that he might let things get to his head, go out on a power trip, and then shoot his mouth off at somebody like me. But if THE BAND doesn't think I'm one of their fans, well, then, I would hate to know what they think of people who don't spend seven years and $2000 of their life devoted to them. And, by the way, if the band doesn't think I am one of their fans, they can just give all the money back to me and I'd be happy to return to them my INXS collection. > You should all understand that it's NOT the band ("management") who > wants to harrass or shut down fansites, it's the above mentioned > industry and legal entities that desperately want to, certainly can and > will if they're given the go-ahead from the artists. It's not a threat, > just a reality. These industry folks have absolutely no emotional > investment what-so-ever in what the fans have done for an artist or > what the fans want. It's all about copyright infringements and > unathorized usage of an artists work. And it's not just INXS, it's > every other artist who's material is being posted to the internet > without permission. Some artists don't care and do nothing, > some go against the legal advice and give their music away, and some are > working closely to shut down sites. INXS has made no steps in any > direction. However, if the band feels it's in their best interest and > the legal advise is sound, it could happen. The documents to shut down > their fansites were drawn months ago, are ready to be signed, and > haven't been (and hopefully never will) - although there was an > incident a few months ago when it almost happened to inxsweb.com - but > it was thwarted at the last minute by one fateful phone call. You know Mary, I do understand what you are saying here, but I have yet to see any band, while shutting down somebody's site, actually be rude to their fans. Its very obvious that you either don't see our point or you're just choosing to ignore it. If you have to ask us to put a stop to something because of copyrights or personal reasons, that fine, we'll stop. But why do you have to be so crass about asking us to do it? David Edwards did nothing but treat me like shit. I also apologized to him more times than I can count, yet never did he acknowledge, much less accept, my apology. From what Neil tells me about the letters you and David have sent to him, both of you treated him like shit too. The statement Victoria Droidge made to alt.music.inxs did nothing but treat Neil like shit, not to mention that it was outright libel. Courtney and I live together, so, yeah, I also saw the letter that you sent to her yesterday too. Ok, you didn't treat her like shit, but I can't say that you were very cordial. The issue, Mary, simple and direct, is that you guys have forgotten how to be polite to us. This latest action that you have made regarding Neil's copyrighted content is nothing short of insulting. If this is the way you want to treat people who have been loyal to you, then I certainly don't want to give you my loyalty as fan anymore. Until you PUBLICLY apologize to Neil and take whatever steps are necessary to satisfy him regarding this issue, I for one am OUT. Yours in waiting Davy X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 13:41:47 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 10:39:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Courtney Chase To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: inxs.com statement --- Matthew Marsland wrote: Everyone who has a link had asked to be > put on. The sites weren't > handpicked by anyone people are implying, if you > want your INXS site on > inxs.com just write to the address on the site. Um... this is not true. There are at least 2 people that I can think of that did not request to be linked to. In fact, they were shocked to find out they had anything up on inxs.com at all. And I doubt MTV asked to be linked to either, but that's really beside the point. LOL. The point is that this is absolutely not true -- people did not ask to be on inxs.com nor were they asked if they'd like to be...at least not all of them... they weren't even notified. They were all surprised to find themselves there when they visited. So I'm not really sure where this came from. Courtney ===== "My dad always used to tell me that if they challenge you to an after-school fight, tell them you won't wait--you can kick their ass right now." ---Cameron Diaz X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 14:07:36 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:04:34 EDT From: Inxsible2@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: inxs.com statement < We got rid of the MP3's -- now all I ask is that the information used on inxs.com that was taken from my site be properly credited. Is that too much to ask?> I think you're right , Neil. Whether or not you want to have anything to do with INXS.com is irrelevant. Credit should be given where credit is due. Just my opinion... Chris M. X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 14:14:39 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 14:05:23 EDT From: Inxsible2@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: inxs.com statement < Exactly. I think the only thing that can really resolve this whole issue is if the band were to come forward in some way or other and lay out just what they feel about it all. That right there may very possibly clear everything up. > ABSOLUTELY!!!!! :) Chris M. X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 15:52:37 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 12:42:59 -0700 From: janie wright To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: INXS fans ... what we need... Hello everyone .... Okay , we have a lot going on right now ... I have been reading , and mostly agree with what has been said .... This is just my take on things ..... One , I do not think anyone who is on this list , should have thier loyalty to the band questioned, because we all know if it was , you would not be here !! If you were not a loyal fan , you would have vanished long ago ... Sorry , harsh fact ... but it is true .... About the inxs.com site , I have seen it ,and this is my take on it ..... If you are a new fan say you started @ Elegantly wasted ,.. it is a fine site and there would be a lot of new infromation for you ... On the other hand , if you are a long time fan .. there is really not a lot you have not already seen or something similar.... As far as the bugs are concerned ,.. yes I also found I could not veiw some pages , ant it would not let me even open the "for Hutch " video . If you want to impress me , add some things from EW that we have not seen or some pics and downloads from the early days in the Sydney pub scene.... These things would impress me , add a Q and A page for us too leave questions for the band , and they can answer them .... or too have that interactive chat session ... These things would make me go back to inxs.com..... As for all of the harsh dealings w/ fan sites and such .... I have to give a lot of credit to Neil for sticking it out for the rest of us .. because with out Neils site , you would not have any INXS fans to launch a web site too ..... I am sorry , this is a harsh statement , but a true one . For two years we have been left in the dark by inxs.com , and for two years we have had inxsweb.com , to console us when our beloved Michael passed on . When we were starving for information the band , how are they doing , are they okay , are we still INXS fans for that matter ?? We had NO IDEA as to what was going to happen next ??? We all went to Neils site for that information , he was there for us ... with that information we craved sooo badly .... There for you can not blame us for being a little bitter , about the threat of taking that source away from us ... Also , with the complete lack of respect , and rudeness in which it was done .. No one deserves to be threatended for being loyal .... I have also had bad dealings w/ Mary Woods about , kits and recieving merchandise, and then when Tim posted to the list , I noted that I had , a birthday party for Kirk , and had some gifts for him and the band as well . I still have not recieved an e mail telling me where it is I can send those things , which I asked for ..... I am now in the process of planning another birthday bash for fans to get together , for Tim and Jon's birthdays ... where will I send those things ??? I do think that , both parties are willing to comprmise we can work things out , and co -exsist.... INXS fans are split already , please let us not divide ourselves anymore,... I hope and pray that we may come to a comprimise..... As Michael would say at the end of a show ..... LOVE AND PEACE !!! Janie Wright @ poobear@wenet.net Please feel free to respond.... X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 17:11:42 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:53:41 +0100 From: "Marie Miller" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: Remember a Song "On The Rocks" is the B-side to either Devil Inside, New Senstation or Need You Tonight. I got a special 3 pack of the above 3 cassette signles in elongated boxes, it was on one of them. Marie ~M~ ----- Original Message ----- From: CATHY-xs5 To: Multiple recipients of Sent: 28 September 1999 10:29 Subject: INXS: Remember a Song > Does anyone remember a song by INXS called "On The Rocks"?????? A friend > of mine said he was going through some old 45's from a juke box he had in > his bar once and found a INXS on with this title...I forget what the > otherside was..Does this sound familiar to anyone??? > Thanks Cathy > Also--- I changed my name from JERRYCATHY to Cathy-xs5 ! I was getting to > much mail addressed to JERRY about things I said as a women about > Michael...not everyone reads who sent the email....Just thought I say > something.... X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 18:38:47 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:30:47 EDT From: StarIite22@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: MY THOUGHTS Greetings to everyone!!! I warn now some may agree to what I am posting, some will not, the topics will fly, flaming will happen but I am typing from the heart as an INXSfan and an adult who can understand how many are feeling. However, I'm being real about it. I have been silent but watchful to all that has been dwelling both here and with developments on "the other side" and all I can say is its a washed-out crock! Don't get me wrong. I viewed the on-quote "OFFICIAL WEBSITE" and I did enjoy every nook & cranny of it. I posted my props to the band only. Screw chaos and management because without the band ... they wouldn't be making any money either. Although, I am delighted to see the band come forth and put something out there for us, I am not impressed with the way they (oh-hell-yes, I will say they as in Tim, Kirk, Garry, Jon and Andrew since everyone else is shy to do so and address the brunt of all this dismay to the band) have let things take a path for the turn of them VS us take place. Not that they did this intentionally, but that is what it has become. POINTBLANK. The .com site is good, not great but good. Its new and finally there with what seems to be a personal touch from the band members themselves. (Personally it is NOT better than Neil's or others I have seen. Its a carbon copy of inxsweb that seems to be in draft form. I was expecting something grander.) Statements from WOODS, ... The band themselves have been in control of things with initial managing for a long time and its been longer than since last Dec. So don't be fooled here folks, Martha was, as Edwards, is a relayer. Grant it, legally they can shut unofficial sites down.. which sucks major wad but it can be done. Eventually they will slam the doors on everyone. For the course of all that has taken place who cannot say it's not going to happen. Its only a matter of when & who's. Unfortunately peeps, we are playing in their (INXS's) world, so-to-speak. THEIR management, THEIR personnel and THEIR agreement holders. I can't help but emphasis it but no matter who, what, where and how... INXS holds the keys to the shiny door of their kingdom. Its their playground, their pool, etc., and we, in the end no matter how we typingly (there's a new word) battle it out to have them acknowledge us (the fans) the way we see fit,isn't going to happen. INXS makes the initial call and final decision regardless of what any legal advise they receive. No one makes a move unless majority of the band says so. If you think members of the band don't know what is being sent out to fans from Edwards, Woods, etc., ... think again. Who's name is represented? INXS-oh yeah they know. Other personnel are just the relayers of the band's voice. Thus, they have no personal investment as someone said in posting ... which is right ... they are relaying the messages and remembering who is dropping the checks in their direct-deposit accounts. The band's personnel and the so-called-close-fans to them don't give a shit about the other fans. They know which side their bread is butter on. They kiss-ass to stay in good favors regardless if they feel its right or wrong. I.E.: you don't want to get on Edward's wrong side. Imagine that, I am a loyal, long standing fan of INXS but I definitely walk on the real side. If I strongly believed what had to do or was being done is wrong, if even morally. That man and I would do battle. Unlike others, I wouldn't keep bending over. OOH I'm in good the band or people who work for them... F**K that! Fans who have devoted, invested and sweated their tributes to INXS are being screwed and down right unappreciated out of the blue. In the business world, hate to tell, it happens everyday. Legally INXS can do this. Good judgment? Well Thats another story. All the bickering has to stop, still voice it but back and forth ... it all needs to be Xed out. INXS are not going to represent fans because their is no way to represent the masses. That horizon is too broad and there are too many. However, we do have a page on the site. Which, tactfully, can be used for the good of fans everywhere if one voices the majority voice correctly in posts. If INXS (entire camp included) takes it into consideration great, if they accommodate, wonderful. Which is why I had suggested such a thing back when Woods was eager to hear them. Its a perfect medium for us (fans & mainly this list) to majority voice what we feel. Why bicker this out when the ones we are bickering about aren't listening (reading). I am not suggesting we stomp YOUR SITE with this, they would close that section down trust me. Yet, we could vote for someone to tactfully post the way our posts topics are going fairly and honestly for the band and their personnel to read. Or we could just keep screaming at one another in hopes that it gets pasted along to someone who gives a shit to what we are saying. NO matter what INXS.COM does or whitewashes to share with us. We know where their ideas came from, how they got them, how they went about to get it and how we feel about it. It is them and then there is us. We know we were INXS fans long before IN@XS, or INXS.COM became a thought or was designed. Edwards was hired by INXS, Davo was hired, Woods met to propose the club, she became them. Her idea of a fans' fan club became an INXS fanclub ... two-faced but she got in good. The friendliness is only at face value as I sure you can all tell. I've been a fan since I was 12 and I remember the E. Smith days. LOL EDWARDS, WOODS, hate to say it but, INXS & other personnel can't stop me from loving what they create or label me as not being a loyal fan whether I like what they do or not business wise. I am an INXS fan, always have been always will be. I will defend them vigorously if attacked but stay real in how I feel about things they do in a fans perspective regardless if they read, hear about it or not. Would I love to sit down and give them a reality check from our view point? Hell yes. A no fan-non-sense "hears what we think & what can be done about it" talking. Naturally it would be well ... yes but legally its like this kind of answers. Or a screw you kind of answer ... either way it would be voiced. So peeps, what it comes down to is final decisions from this group. We can support what this OFFICIAL site is doing and show the band the support and loyal following as we always have. We can have someone to voice opinions & topics of this list to them. We will still hit and back sites like Neil's because we are the loyal types they are claiming we Arnet. Ironic isn't it? Or we can keep posting repeatedly agreeing among ourselves about how we feel. The official site is new, still growing and I pray with more goodies to come. We the fans have a page to make it better for our viewing pleasure. Grant it, YOUR PAGE was a not an eager go ahead to begin with but its there. If the sincerity of YOUR PAGE that is offered is true ... we can voice there as a whole tactfully and respectfully in hopes they will at least read it. This is ripple has turned into a tidal wave, however, eventually it all calms at the shores. RIGHT OR WRONG? We are frustrated with them and I am certain they are frustrated with us. Its a damn if you do damn if you dont situation right now but it doesn't have to stay this way. INXS will do what INXS wants to, the people that work for them will continue to do what they are told to do and we have to deal with it. How fans accept it is up to fans. They are seating high and mighty protecting investments, can't blame them and who wouldn't. INXS devoted their lives and very beings into INXS, they are INXS. However, reality being had this approach been theirs from the beginning ... what would they have to sit high and mighty on to protect? Can't change what was done but bringing a better future can be done. Keeping mind Legally INXS can do what they want and make it legally happen to work. Fans get what is given. We are thankful and enjoy the final product no doubt. Webmasters are in a no win situation on an entire website issue. If the band isn't appreciative to what has been done for them over the years, they can be shut down because the final line about it all is money. Their money, made because they have fans but still, now that they have it, they don't want to cause loss of a single penny. Money always makes people ugly but a fact. We can keep being ugly as well or make good of this somehow. Instead of bickering ... lets think, suggest and decided how to amend as a majority and hope on good faith, the other side can as well. X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 20:49:30 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 20:45:58 From: Sue To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: SOTW#110 - Shine Like It Does In responding to the INXS Song of Week you can give your opinions on the lyrics and music of the song, its strong or weak points, and/or any special meaning the song has had at one time, or still holds for you. INXS SONG OF THE WEEK #110 - Shine Like It Does -- Sue sue@mdc.net http://www.mdc.net/~sue In my cd player: Bob Mould - The Last Dog And Pony Show X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Sun Oct 3 23:47:51 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:41:30 EDT From: CKbride76@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: SOTW#110 - Shine Like It Does This is my absolute FAVORITE INXS song. I play it time and again, over and over. When I was in an acting class in college I used it as a song to represent myself. "If you're looking, you will find it" is my motto. It is so true. =) Signed, Cristy (remember me???!!!!! I"M BACK!!!!!!!!!) HAPPY to be hear again! previously CrINXStin ;) X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Mon Oct 4 00:24:23 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:17:55 +0800 From: "JULIE SHUTTLEWORTH" To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: Reality Sucks I went to bed depressed and down in utter disbelief that "the other side" still continues this incredibly destructive campaign against their loyal fans (especially Neil, Davy etc). It seems (to me) that they are trying to alienate everyone but Why? Why? Why? buzzes in my head until Dream takes over... Inxs (management and hangers on included) after coping with their grief are ready once again to conquer the world, talk to their fans and most importantly MAKE MUSIC. They get together and decide where to start. Inxs.com needs revamping. "Let's check out what our loyal fans have already got on the web. Neil's site is amazing, so are some of the others. So much is already here and we can offer even more, we'll contact the current webmasters, pool our ideas together and interlink everything. It will be the biggest and best on the whole web and the most incredible part of all of this will be the fact that the Band, Management, Record Company and Fans will all be a part of it. Imagine it, nothing could top that. Total co-operation from everyone. Now let's work on World Peace......" Brrrrrrrrr. Alarm goes. More nasty email. Reality sucks. X-From_: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Mon Oct 4 00:36:10 1999 Sender: inxslist@smtp.digitalcastle.com Errors-To: nanci@smtp.digitalcastle.com Reply-To: inxslist@digitalcastle.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo 1b10 - Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 14:27:46 +1100 From: Matthew Marsland To: Multiple recipients of Subject: INXS: Re: FW: INXS.com statement At 10:25 AM 3/10/99 PDT, you wrote: >Oh yeah, and its pretty friggin obvious that you stole the Discography too. >Granted, I doubt it could ever be proven, but NEVER in my life have I seen an >official website have a discography that as detailed as the one on INXS.COM. >If no other band has gone to such lengths to produce such a detailed work, >what motivated you to do it? That is, of course, unless you didn't produce >the detailed work. I mean, sure, from a legal point of view, you can probably >justify what you did, but from a moralistic point of view I don't think very >many people would agree with you. Mary can provide detailed documentation of every item in the discography and more since promos and foreign pressings are yet to be added on the site. If you want email her (personally) she will probably even mail you out a list of her collection which is all catalogued in every detail. She owns every single INXS item on that page in her collection. You should also note the IN2XS newsletter which is where the aust, uk and us listings on inxs.com came from. You are probably still there saying "Yeah bullshit it's stolen from Neil"...so you probably wont believe anything unless Neil comes out and says the discography wasn't stolen to everyone. Neil knows about Mary's collection, and the catalogue listings she has keep for years now, and sent out to fans to help them with their INXS collecting. So Neil can you please post here and set the record straight on this matter once and for all thanks. The gigography is a different matter...and to have those dates up how they were on Saturday can be regarded as 'stolen from Neil's page' very much so, it even had the links and comments Neil had written. But as was explained here and to messages sent to Neil personally it was an error made by the designers who put the 'dummy text' back up when the site was been edited on Friday night. No one intended to have Neil's dates up for the public to see, it was just text placed there to give an idea of how the page would look when it was designed, the new page change made by ftp got overwritten...which also happened with a number of other pages which is why there is spelling mistakes. Come on guys you have been waiting years to hear Hutch's album, it's out in a week, you can hear the songs on V2...yet no one is discussing it? It's already sold 75,000 (platinum) on pre-orders in Australia. Hopefully there may be some new f